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I preferred the original title you gave the thread, @JoelR: "TikTok might shit down in the US this weekend". 🙂 But doesn't TIkTok 'shit down' everywhere and all the time? TikTok is a security threat. It should be closed down in Europe and elsewhere too.
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Thank you for your reassurance, @JoelR and @Jon Erickson.
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As I speculated, it might have been dumbed-down / short-handed for my consumption. Well, I did not actually ask about plugins - I understood that plugins would be gone. And I use a few myself. It is my understanding that they usually can be refactored into apps - thought not necessarily worth the effort for the developer to do so. That's encouraging. I did note that Invision were responding to some of the earlier reactions to the removal of hooks and have created some new tools too. But I have read comments at a few developer sites which were not very encouraging. Perhaps those comments are out of date. I am enough of a realist to understand that Invision's priorities are not necessarily the same priorities of their wider user base,* and certainly not mine. I am just trying to get a better handle on the future. There is so much I like about Invision, and I am - as a non-coder - really looking forward to being to make better use of the CMS functions available in v5. Just looking for reassurance about app development in general, as I have some ideas I wish to explore. * Though, there must be a reasonable amount of overlap, else they would have no customers. Sounds reasonable. I have read comments from developers indicating that they might even pull out of developing apps for Invision. Hopefully, they will reassess their views (perhaps they already have) as they get a better handle on the new development tools. I suppose I was already primed for being concerned after the Marketplace closed. For many ordinary users (and some developers) that move did cause us some concern. And there appeared to be a cooling in app development immediately thereafter. But I suppose this was inevitable at the time anyway - after all, v5 was originally slated to be released early in 2024. (I recall a comment from Invision that v5 would not be released at the end of 2023 because of the holidays - at least hinting at a release early in 2024. But this was before they decided to create a new text editor and make some other changes too, I think.) Thank you for your comments, @IC Essentials
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I could have titled the thread: Is App Development Impeded in V5? (Or some such.) It was just a headline grabbing title is all. The proper question might be, how much is app development impeded? As it has been explained to me, it is no longer possible to alter template output, only add to it. Maybe that was a bit dumbed-down for my consumption. I don't know. But it does sound rather restrictive to my untrained ear. But thank you for your perspective, @Nathan Explosion. Your response is somewhat reassuring. I guess it is still early days and there are still unknowns and some solutions might not be immediately transparent anyway (given the large changes).
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I did. The app is heavily reliant upon hooks and it does not look hopeful. I have recently read the hooks thread at Invision, with many comments from developers. Though, the comments were mostly from some time ago. I have also recently communicated with another developer about a couple of apps being ported to v5 - he's not hopeful for them either. I hope you are correct about me over-egging the pudding. And as I wrote in my previous message, I guess I am looking for some reassurance. I suppose you have somewhat provided this, even if a little obliquely.
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Of course, with an impending release of a major new version of Invision, app development was always going to slow down. But is there a serious problem now? Last year when Invision closed their Marketplace, it felt like a mistake to me. But having been a client of Invision for only a few months at the time, I did not comment because my knowledge of the product was too shallow. I claim no great depth now, but I have observed both the instant change when the Marketplace closed, and the pessimism from developers about the future since the beta release of v5. And although I do not properly understand the technicalities of it, the removal of hooks seems have caused a high level of consternation from developers. This single change, it would seem, has put an end to a bespoke app coded for my own community. My community is 20 years old, but less than 18 months with Invision. I had a mostly equivalent bespoke app when using SMF. Did I make the right decision to move to Invision? I am sure all here here would agree that in the round, Invision is leaps and bounds ahead of SMF. But how many communities will be very negatively impacted due to bespoke and other vital applications becoming obsolete and with no way for refactor them for v5? There are some other larger applications I had my eye on where there is now considerable doubt that they will be (or even can me) ported to work within the constraints of v5. I am not yet sure what I will do my own community to negate the dropping our bespoke app. But I suspect many other community operators are in a similar situation. I do not know why I am writing this - looking for reassurance, I guess.
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It seems that if anyone was to create a moderation/report suite, it could well be you, @Adriano Faria. 🙂 You've produced that vast majority of apps which relate to these matters. https://www.sosinvision.com.br/index.php?/file/125-report-center-messages/ https://www.invisioneer.org/files/file/399-report-message-under-post-content/ https://www.invisioneer.org/files/file/251-reporting-trust/ https://www.invisioneer.org/files/file/100-tb-report-form-enhancements/ https://www.invisioneer.org/files/file/152-assign-staff-member-to-reports/ Member Notes - Staff Extensions - Invisioneer Warn Log - Staff Extensions - Invisioneer I cannot find the Reports to Topics app (or whatever it was called), but I happened upon this: https://invisioncommunity.com/forums/topic/427474-report-log/
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Hi @Adriano Faria I was not aware of that app; it helps some. If is surely a functions which should have ben included with the report system. But there are much larger problems with how reports operate. Entries become ephemeral because related reports are not automatically linked, they cannot be linked manually, and they even cannot be searched. There is (or was) another app which instead automatically creates a moderation thread, which would help too. After we upgrade to v5, I will look at your app again (and search out the other too).
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Edited the above to correct for types and to add small clarifications. That's right - no options. There is a status indicator, but I assumed that is not displayed to the reporting member. Do you mean a plugin which would display the report status to the reporting member? If so, that's a small improvement. But the whole moderation system requires a complete rethink. No one on our team is happy with any aspect of how the moderation systems operate. I'd like to have: Reports listed as threads in a nominated forum (at least as an option) The ability to send a direct response/message from the report thread to the member and it logged in the report thread (and labelled as such) Replies/updates from the reporter logged in the report thread (and labelled as such) Status indicator for the report thread (optionally shared with the reporter) Sort and search functions for reports Reports of the 'same incident', 'same reported member', and 'same reporter' should be automatically linked. In communities of any appreciable size, moderation of members can become complicated, with repeated problems relating to a single member. But there are no systems in place to organise these occurrences with Invision, and not even the ability to search. As things stand, we rely on collective memory, but when team members leave, even that is not available to us.
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It caused some confusion for our team when we moved to Invision last year. We had to use a test account to be sure that members were not reading our responses. Indeed, the initial assumption was that they could read the responses. On the one and, as a 'report' function, you would expect it to operate as a communication avenue between the reporter and the moderation team. It doesn't do that, of course. And instead, we need to send a PM to acknowledge (or seek further information), for wish there is no direct record or updates when they do reply to the PM. And on the other hand, it is a poorly functioning, non-integrated moderation system. But this is true of the entire Invision moderation system - it is just some ad hock, disparate systems, with poor logging and non-existent sort/search systems. Moderation really needs a complete rethink by Invision. Failing this, it seems like an area which is crying our for an all encompassing moderation app. I expect it would popular and could command a good fee.
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I am not much into themes. But I must admit, that's very nice, @shahed.
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IPS is killing status updates. Shrug or OMG?
Como replied to JoelR's topic in Forum Software & Technology
I can understand why, for niche forums, Status Updates' deprecation could be quite a loss. But since its use is so niche, of course Invision will wish to give up it up; it is just legacy code (in an already enormous system) they need to maintain. I expect it could be quite easily recreated as an app for those who need it. Well, I think the use of profiles in general is not something which is much valued any more beyond as a hub to locate content associated with an individual member. -